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so steam is selling black ops 2 for 59.99 so is it worth it,was it that good because im ready to uninstall the current cod games and make room for better games. maybe keep 2019 mw i do like that.
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Either kill this game off or for the love of god change the name from Call of Duty
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I’ve got an excellent idea. Rename the series Call of Doody.
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I honestly care more about a piece of crap than I care about the way this game currently is.
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Are you guys done or...? I mean, why join a CoD forum if this is to join the usual blame-train ?
I'm 45y old and played all the releases since CoD2 2005.
Have you tried to re-play one of the former version recently ?
I get the hate for the cheating problem, clearly...regarding the skins it's been a while now since we get bs on the chars, but you can't say there's no effort that has been put into the game.
The GAMEPLAY is fucking amazing and not a single FPS today manages to reproduce that, or please, let me know of one and I'd be happy to try it.
Yesterday I re-installed MWIII to change a bit from BO6, and I was surprised about how quickly I forgot the improvements that the omnimovement has brought into the game.
MWIII is good, but the moves now seem almost clunky compared to BO6.
If 'no effort' had been put into this, then we'd see plenty of competitors on the market.
The only one that come close to this for me is Respawn Entertainment (founded by former founder of IW).
Regarding the renaming part, I think that would actually be a good idea :
* A "call of duty - legacy" branch, where they would only offer mil-sim skins, stick to the ground warfare and back to the roots of CoD4.
* A "call of duty - advanced warfare" (they'll never drop the name) where they'd go w/ their creativity (wouldnt mind going back to wall jumps or specialists).
I'm 45y old and played all the releases since CoD2 2005.
Have you tried to re-play one of the former version recently ?
I get the hate for the cheating problem, clearly...regarding the skins it's been a while now since we get bs on the chars, but you can't say there's no effort that has been put into the game.
The GAMEPLAY is fucking amazing and not a single FPS today manages to reproduce that, or please, let me know of one and I'd be happy to try it.
Yesterday I re-installed MWIII to change a bit from BO6, and I was surprised about how quickly I forgot the improvements that the omnimovement has brought into the game.
MWIII is good, but the moves now seem almost clunky compared to BO6.
If 'no effort' had been put into this, then we'd see plenty of competitors on the market.
The only one that come close to this for me is Respawn Entertainment (founded by former founder of IW).
Regarding the renaming part, I think that would actually be a good idea :
* A "call of duty - legacy" branch, where they would only offer mil-sim skins, stick to the ground warfare and back to the roots of CoD4.
* A "call of duty - advanced warfare" (they'll never drop the name) where they'd go w/ their creativity (wouldnt mind going back to wall jumps or specialists).
I'm 43, and have played mostly the same games as you. I was at E3 2005, and 2006. Height of Xbox 360 vs PS3. COD4 all the way to BO2 is the golden era.
Yeah. I bought PS5 WITH MWIII in tow. It was much, much better than MWII, which is a soulless game. I have tons of videos talking about this elsewhere on this board. I'll link them somewhere on this post.
It's not just that. It's not just the cheating, the hacking. The skins themselves are not the problem, either. Most of them are cool, John McClain, Rambo, Terminator, Squid Game, and yes, even the TMNT skins. The problem is either the price(s), or the egregiousness. For example, to GET TMNT, you need $20, just to own one skin (granted there are extras with it - in a bundle). To GET all 4 Turtles - you're coughing up $90 including Splinter.
I liked the special events, like the 8bit maps...
But they timed American Dad, Beavis and Butthead at the wrong time, and did not have the toon world ready for launch. If they had launched the toon world first, and then American Dad/Butthead launched at the same time... then people would understand. And I'd also launch both bundles during 8Bit world, too. Yeah.
SBMM is a huge problem, and it was NOT turned on during 8Bit world. Nope. Everyone, including myself had fun in 8bit world.
And then, the sizes of the games started to get big. Like it was noticeable in MW2019 with PS4/Xbox One, this was less a problem via PS5 because of the SSD. Problem? If you had bad internet, you won't get get games downloaded faster... LIke PS5 version of MWIII almost hit 200GB. CODHQ was a large part of this. And when I say CODHQ, I'm talking about the menu system that goes between you, and MWIII to get the game loaded. I'm not talking about WWII's version of COD HQ. I'm talking about the HQ system that brings up the games' icons to choose the game.
There's more, but that's top of my head.
We've had sliding for a while now, bro. Ommimovement is not fucking new. It sounds like you never played the games, at all. The fuck?
Okay! You like BO6! Okay! People have different tastes, okay!
But, you gotta understand that Call of Duty... is 90% casual. None of these developers understand that.
Titanfall is awesome. I agree, but Electronic Arts fucked the game up from the get go. My god, why would you sandwich TitanFall 2 between Battlefield 1 and Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare!? Who decided that?
Many shooters exist nowdays, too. Delta Force (China product), Valorant (China acquired Riot Games), xDefiant, and The Finals. I would say Splitgate 2, too but that's more of a halo competitor, than not.
The problem is not the name, or the naming scheme. The problem is Activision is sabotaging themselves, and Microsoft, too. Both are doing the same shit. Microsoft is doing the DEI/Woke stuff. Activision is doing the same thing at a scale that makes them look like a glorified Diddy company.
EDIT: Here are the videos...
Ok, background time. My views are actually not out of my ass or as a CoD hater. In fact my background is even longer than yours and include turning down working for Treyarch full time and a stint with them as a tester and developer. That doesnt include the 10 year run as the owner and creator of one of the biggest CoD mapping and modding website.
I have earned my right to join any forum site that I choose to join and to say whatever I like be it positive or negative.
Why even compare how much better the game is now technically speaking than it was when compared to years past. I mean, hell....... Even cars get better year after year. No one is debating the improvements in the game when in reality we are complaining about something much more fundamental.
The game is not Call of Duty anymore. It is "evolved" into something that does not even come close to its roots. Honestly, I dont really care what it has become but I am not amused or titillated with the skins, weapons, effects or anything else about the game. Sure the movement is far superior to years gone by but why should I embrace the childish bullshit that I see on my screen now. I call it what I like and accept your right to see it your way. I am happy that you defend the game or least your interpretation of the game.
I started this thread and my point is still the same. Give the game a new name and stop selling it as something that it has not been in many many years.
I have earned my right to join any forum site that I choose to join and to say whatever I like be it positive or negative.
Why even compare how much better the game is now technically speaking than it was when compared to years past. I mean, hell....... Even cars get better year after year. No one is debating the improvements in the game when in reality we are complaining about something much more fundamental.
The game is not Call of Duty anymore. It is "evolved" into something that does not even come close to its roots. Honestly, I dont really care what it has become but I am not amused or titillated with the skins, weapons, effects or anything else about the game. Sure the movement is far superior to years gone by but why should I embrace the childish bullshit that I see on my screen now. I call it what I like and accept your right to see it your way. I am happy that you defend the game or least your interpretation of the game.
I started this thread and my point is still the same. Give the game a new name and stop selling it as something that it has not been in many many years.
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Ok so, 1st of guys, thanks for taking the time to reply - in a civilized manner - and argue a bit more about your views on what the game has become (thumb_up emoji would come here).
To go in the order, and first replying to Carlos :
I get the greedy annoyance w/ the bundles (trust me I do..), but to bounce back on the following sentence :
I consider myself being "casual". Married, kids, full time job that's actually pretty time consuming (working for a big soft editor - not in the gaming industry - as a director), and will jump 1 hour a day or 2 every 2 days, sthg like that. Not sure this is considered "casual" when you got a 20y xp on the game but...clearly not spending all day long on the game (but the only one I'll spend my time on, pretty much). Which is, by the way, one advantage I see to this game (the casu' aspect) : contrary to a MMORPG you can still kick ass and enjoy it even if you're level 1 and starting, facing people who played for days before you. Oh and that's because they consider the game is for casuals that they started introducing SBMM / EBMM (!). Prob' one of the worst decision, I guess we can all agree on this one... but they probably get some retention stats that say otherwise.
I did play the games a lot and would be happy to play with you, but - no offense - if you think omni is just about the sliding, then you may want to play it a bit more !
Why looping on the "okay" here, sorry but are you mad for someone expressing good feelings about a game you built a community on ?
. I get your anger now that you exposed it in the thread above, but just step back and read OP's initial post dude....I'm not a bo6 die hard fan (probably a BO3 and 4 one though 
)and appreciated MWII and III a lot as well...(in fact built a discord w/ 800+ members on it).
I just hoped I'd find less hateful people about the game in a dedicated forum other than the standard reddits com' etc, sorry about that, really......and yes, 'hateful', how'd your describe this otherwise ? :
Now, back to OP :
Because as a former dev you should know how fucking hard it is !!!!
This kind of improvements in the gameplay just don't fall from the sky, it sounds like you're taking that for 'granted', forgeting all of the blood and sweat behind the coding.
Yeah sure, me too I'd appreciate to see more mil-sim and not that Butthead shitshow, I'm not 12y old anymore, but I'd never ditch all the rest just because of that...I don't get the comments on "stupid weapons" either, or maybe you're refering to the stuff like the TMT stick and things like that ? Which are like....small exceptions that you won't see very often in standard 6v6..
Sure, as Carlos said you got plenty of other fps (tried them all..), and delta force is not too bad (gameplay is below but for a free-to-play one it's quite good, even if the audience is prob' a bit different : only playing 6v6 standard multi here...).
But again, I was just looking for a community where people would actually focus talking about the game instead of trashing it as the so called "cod community" enjoy doing. Guess i'll go back to the discord.
To go in the order, and first replying to Carlos :
I get the greedy annoyance w/ the bundles (trust me I do..), but to bounce back on the following sentence :
I consider myself being "casual". Married, kids, full time job that's actually pretty time consuming (working for a big soft editor - not in the gaming industry - as a director), and will jump 1 hour a day or 2 every 2 days, sthg like that. Not sure this is considered "casual" when you got a 20y xp on the game but...clearly not spending all day long on the game (but the only one I'll spend my time on, pretty much). Which is, by the way, one advantage I see to this game (the casu' aspect) : contrary to a MMORPG you can still kick ass and enjoy it even if you're level 1 and starting, facing people who played for days before you. Oh and that's because they consider the game is for casuals that they started introducing SBMM / EBMM (!). Prob' one of the worst decision, I guess we can all agree on this one... but they probably get some retention stats that say otherwise.
I did play the games a lot and would be happy to play with you, but - no offense - if you think omni is just about the sliding, then you may want to play it a bit more !
Why looping on the "okay" here, sorry but are you mad for someone expressing good feelings about a game you built a community on ?
. I get your anger now that you exposed it in the thread above, but just step back and read OP's initial post dude....I'm not a bo6 die hard fan (probably a BO3 and 4 one though )and appreciated MWII and III a lot as well...(in fact built a discord w/ 800+ members on it). I just hoped I'd find less hateful people about the game in a dedicated forum other than the standard reddits com' etc, sorry about that, really......and yes, 'hateful', how'd your describe this otherwise ? :
Now, back to OP :
Because as a former dev you should know how fucking hard it is !!!!
This kind of improvements in the gameplay just don't fall from the sky, it sounds like you're taking that for 'granted', forgeting all of the blood and sweat behind the coding.
Yeah sure, me too I'd appreciate to see more mil-sim and not that Butthead shitshow, I'm not 12y old anymore, but I'd never ditch all the rest just because of that...I don't get the comments on "stupid weapons" either, or maybe you're refering to the stuff like the TMT stick and things like that ? Which are like....small exceptions that you won't see very often in standard 6v6..
Sure, as Carlos said you got plenty of other fps (tried them all..), and delta force is not too bad (gameplay is below but for a free-to-play one it's quite good, even if the audience is prob' a bit different : only playing 6v6 standard multi here...).
But again, I was just looking for a community where people would actually focus talking about the game instead of trashing it as the so called "cod community" enjoy doing. Guess i'll go back to the discord.
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Ah. I see we have someone new commenting here. Someone who actually likes the current state of CoD as well. Well, everyone has their own tastes and that’s fine. Here’s my personal input though. Hence my username, I’m a big history enthusiast and I enjoy the fact that CoD once had a big historical (and very early 21st century) warfare theme. I mean, what should you expect from a video game literally called CALL OF DUTY? You’d expect MILITARY themes. Am I right? NOT Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles skins that you’d expect from a Fortnite game. It’s no exaggeration to say Call of Duty is a very different franchise now. Play World at War and then play Infinite Warfare. They literally feel like they’re from two completely different franchises. Sorry but I don’t exactly think a hyper futuristic theme really fits well with a video game franchise centered on WW2, the Cold War and the Middle East Wars. But what do I know? I’m just an old soul despite being 27 years old. I have to say, I’m rather pleasantly surprised to be one of the youngest people on this entire site.
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I get that, as I said : "Yeah sure, me too I'd appreciate to see more mil-sim and not that Butthead shitshow".
A few remarks though ;-) :
* I don't think you need to live in the past to answer the "call of duty", or is there an historical ref that I may be missing associated to this sentence (call of duty) ? (EN is not my native language).
* Even if the title doesn't fit what the game has become, does it make it a, quoting here : "shit" game ??
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I still wholeheartedly believe this series is S-H-I-T. I also understand that English isn’t your native language. And no, there’s no historical reference to the game franchise’s title. I just enjoy a historical video game because it makes learning about WW2, the Cold War or the Middle East Wars more fun. I just can’t comprehend why they have to stray from their roots. I mean, why not make a WW1 themed CoD game? It’s the furthest back in history they can actually go without screwing the franchise over. They’re getting WAY too maximalist year after year.
Civilized discussions is what we want here. I'm the boss, the buck stops with me. So, you're not gonna get angry karens here.
I'm a marketing guy. In my mind, the casual is anyone - and not just people who are married - anyone that has a full-time job or maybe even part-time, I'll throw the typical high school/college students into this mix. Anyone who doesn't interact with a video game on a daily basis. Okay? On a corporate spreadsheet, the marketing person is gonna target the kids all the way up to 50 something. World War 2 style first person shooter is basically the history buffs, usually the guys who are veterans of that particular "theatre." Other theatres like the Cold War are these history buffs/veterans, too. The middle eastern theatre is a bit new, 20 years old by now. Desert Storm > September 11th covers this part. But they target those people, too. I would know because I have two military soldiers in my family - one navy, the other one is Marines. Semper Fi.
Anyway, so Call of Duty 4 kicked the franchise into high octane, high gear. First game to hit about 10 Million copies. This means they captured the casual market. So, when you see Modern Warfare 2 on TV, you fucking know you have something big on your hands if you are Activision. CoD4 plays it a bit safe, because of September 11th. Metal Gear Solid 2 played it so safe, they removed the twin towers crash. So, when you fought Solidius, you're going "What happened?" because you went from defeating Metal Gear Rays, to jumping on Arsenal Gear. Then cut to Solidus boss battle.
The reason why I bring this up, is because my brother is more of the casual than I am. So, when he knows about Call of Duty, I wake up. Because how HE discovered it, is being at a friend's house with an Xbox 360 for the first time. He liked it because it was realistic. Same reason you'd buy Mortal Kombat for in the 90's. I was working at the time, but I found the time to buy and play MGS2 in my free time. Brother? He heard it somewhere else, despite me playing. So, yes, Call of Duty is 90% casual.
That's what you want. Word of mouth.
Call of Duty was made to mimic a bit of the MMORPG, but casuals did eat it up. From COD4, to BO2 - Activision consistently sold 10 to 20 Million copies each game, each year. Basically the Madden business model. What we know about SBMM/EBMM/EOMM/whatever is not because of the casual market. No, it was light, and it was not considered "SBMM." Activision patented SBMM about 5 to 6 years ago - let me check. (EDIT: Yeah, in 2022 it was uncovered.)
I played the beta, brah.
Not mad. More of that "exhausted" expression. Ya know, when you're talking with your friends and you guys try to come to an agreement, you're going like "Ok, fine! Do whatever you want."Why looping on the "okay" here, sorry but are you mad for someone expressing good feelings about a game you built a community on ?
It's hard to be positive about a game when you have SBMM in the mix. You say it's player retention, but yo... nobody's interacting with the game anymore. I haven't bought a Call of Duty game since MWIII. Likewise, I haven't played since. I can tolerate xDefiant, and so whatever this thing you call Black Ops 6...? This ain't it, chief. You like it? Cool, you do you, bro.
If you like glitches, go ahead... continue playing Black Ops 6. It's your fucking money. $70 for all that trash? Brah. I bought Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and I got my money's worth out of it.
If you can't see the bundles that have ridiculous, shitty artwork on it. That's on you, bro. Beavis and Butthead was pretty cool for a TV show, not sure it's a binge kind of show. It's kinda like South Park, where we get it. It's not meant to target everyone. Some people don't even like "King of the Hill" show. I mean, it's not bad, but it's also not TMNT. I grew up on TMNT. I grew up on Beavis and Butthead, but I don't want them on my military shooter. TMNT was tolerable because believe it or not, it was a mature rated comic. Yeah. The TV show you saw was watered down for the kid demographic.
The problem is, Activision isn't listening to the market. Activision isn't even listening to the YouTube community where fans are able to give these people feedback. Like, my goodness Activision has a golden opportunity with these videos, and these livestreams, instead they go 1984.
Of course I know how hard it is to code. Without the engine it would be nothing. No one will disagree that the game, and I mean everything in the game, is not superior to what it once was. This is really a silly point to be even discussing given that it is the core of the game. I have not insulted your intelligence yet so please dont fucking insult mine.
I would like to know why you do not find the silly skins and kill effects and so on not an issue. In fact, in the interest that I may have forgotten that this site is built on the varies bones and being of Call of Duty, I would ask why people are ok with being shot and killed and turning into increasingly stupid visual displays of demise. Think back to what a milSim is or was intended to be when considering your answers please.
I am still a big fan of Call of Duty and I will stand by my statement that the name needs to be changed. If you would like me to become very simplistic in my descriptions how about this to sum up my view of the current state or nature of the game......I am from Canada and many people on these forums are from many different countries. We all arrived at this site to discuss Call of Duty. Discussing the game does not entail becoming fanboys. Open, frank and honest discussion of the franchise is what built this site and will carry it through the days and years ahead. Now consider this to perhaps give more context to the way that I view things about this franchise...... We have all seen war memorials from the great wars of the past. WW1, WW2 and so. These are considered sacred grounds. When these places get desecrated we react strongly. What made this franchise so popular was that it was allowed to grow, to take whatever advances in coding, computing power etc in to account and push the game forward while making it so much more fun especially visually. They literally started to throw paint at the game and the desecration had begun when greed, profits and everything that the game has become started. Buy new skins of comic book characters etc, when you target is killed they turn into a crumbling tomb stone or an explosion of gangi plants. So realistic!! So very to the point that I have been preaching. Perhaps this is a bit over the top dramatic but none the less, this is a place to openly discuss call of duty and to do so with the right to actually speak from the heart.
I understand that for whatever reason players, fan base or whatever has gotten addicted to the way the game is marketed. Go for it, pay the big bucks to run around the levels looking like a silly cartoon character. That is your right of course. Buy the game that gives you the biggest jollies. I will continue to wish for a more pure version of a military sim. I also realize that I will most likely have to wait forever.
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Feels like running in circles here, I'll just go move to a diff community as it seems we won't get along, wishing you guys good luck and hoping that you'll find what you're looking for in the next versions (or maybe we'll meet on the next BF6 which looks great from what I've seen so far).
I get your nostalgia and anger for the direction taken, and, as I said I wouldn't mind going back to mil-sim so maybe I'll you there as well.
I get your nostalgia and anger for the direction taken, and, as I said I wouldn't mind going back to mil-sim so maybe I'll you there as well.
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You’re leaving already Blazko? But you just got here!
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Yes its look nice, the first beta is coming this week
I dont think anyone is running around in circles here. This is a Call of Duty site and it is discussed here but what you will not see here nor expect to see here is blind faith and devotion to the franchise. What you will see is people discussing Call of Duty in a manner that fits with their beliefs and opinions of the game. Other sites may give head to it but not here. If you dont want to discuss the good, the bad and the ugly of the game then by all means find another site that fits the "awesome game" mindset.
To be fair, wokeness has taken over Europe. Brittan has fallen... again. Its like nobody learned from history. I argue with a few people from Europe and they always have this attitude.
Its leftist ideology. But the thing is, we're talking about a video game. I'm not trying to be political, but this brainwash is staring at us in the face.
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i still play cod and i just pre purchased bf6 and ready for both beta weekends
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